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#1 2007-07-20 06:14:43

rconroy
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Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

My wife is a text highlighter addict, so I have been trying out Skim. Skim will add notes, highlighting and miscellaneous markup to a pdf. It works well with Papers too.

Within Paper, use the "opem PDF withÖ" command to open the paper in Skim. Then, when you have marked up the PDF, use the "ExportÖ" command to export the pdf as "PDF with embedded notes".

The resulting notes, highlighting, underlining etc are visible in Papers. Floating notes can be read within Papers, but anchored notes simply display their icon.

http://skim-app.sourceforge.net



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#2 2007-07-22 09:24:02

cbecker
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

Great tip, thanks! Once you exported the PDFs, are you still able to delete or modify the comments? Thanks!

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#3 2007-07-22 10:39:52

mek
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

Yep, Skim is very nice and well-done by the guys from Bibdesk. We have decided from the start to wait with highlighting until Leopard comes out since the underlying PDFKit framework is much more mature and implementing highlighting will be much easier. In the mean time we also plan to make it much easier to work with Papers in combination with an external PDF viewer like Skim. Stay tuned!

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#4 2007-07-22 16:52:57

mdean
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

Is there a way to set Papers so that Skim is the default viewer instead of Preview?

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#5 2007-07-23 00:22:39

mek
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

That's exactly what we plan to add.

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#6 2007-07-31 21:25:49

shanana
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

In response to mdean, there is a way as long as you want skim to be the default viewer for all pdfs which is what I do. Just do that through get info for a pdf, and choose to apply it to all files with the pdf extension. I love skim.

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#7 2007-08-02 01:49:44

JanWillem
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

cbecker wrote:

Great tip, thanks! Once you exported the PDFs, are you still able to delete or modify the comments? Thanks!

After adding highlighting to my pdf using Skim, and then exporting as 'pdf with embedded notes', I can read the pdf in Papers with the notes, but I don't seem to able anymore to remove the notes if I want to (opening the pdf again in Skim). How can I change this? Is it possible to remove the highlighting or notes, for instance if you want to print or send the pdf to a colleague, wtihout him having to read your notes?

Thanks,
Jan Willem

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#8 2007-08-12 01:12:21

nom777
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

JanWillem wrote:

cbecker wrote:

Great tip, thanks! Once you exported the PDFs, are you still able to delete or modify the comments? Thanks!

After adding highlighting to my pdf using Skim, and then exporting as 'pdf with embedded notes', I can read the pdf in Papers with the notes, but I don't seem to able anymore to remove the notes if I want to (opening the pdf again in Skim). How can I change this? Is it possible to remove the highlighting or notes, for instance if you want to print or send the pdf to a colleague, wtihout him having to read your notes?

Thanks,
Jan Willem

As long as you save within Skim, the original PDF will be unchanged, but once you've exported with embedded notes, that's it - they're there to stay (unless you still have the original).

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#9 2007-08-15 20:16:58

dbtodd
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

mek wrote:

That's exactly what we plan to add.

This would be perfect. Once again I come to the site with an idea to suggest and the Papers.app hive mind has already posted it. I love how active and engaged the forum is and I hope it continues. I've read so many great ideas here!

Last edited by dbtodd (2007-08-15 20:19:47)

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#10 2007-11-14 09:57:39

crmarvin42
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From: Purdue University
Registered: 2007-10-27
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

Has this feature been added into 1.5 or should we expect it in a later release (1.6? 2.0?)

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#11 2007-11-14 15:24:46

mek
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

Hooray, it's there now in Papers 1.5. Go to the preferences and under the PDF tab you can set Skim (or any other PDF viewer) as your default. Double-clicking or hitting the Read PDF button will then open the PDF in your favourite viewer. Also note that Papers automatically refreshes the PDF view so your new annotations are immediately visible. Enjoy!

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#12 2007-11-18 05:04:32

maldoc
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

Hmmm.... There is a PDF tab?

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#13 2007-11-18 06:40:42

mek
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

Sorry, Papers tab, last popup button...

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#14 2007-11-18 19:01:55

maldoc
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

Nice!
Thanks alot, Mek!

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#15 2008-03-17 16:56:35

dantes
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

what am i doing wrong?

in papers, i selected, "open with... Skim"

then highlighted and added a note.

then exported and overwrote the original file that papers made.

now i CANT see the changes in papers??

thanks for the help!

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#16 2008-03-17 17:00:25

dantes
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

fixed!   need to export WITH embedded notes!  oops! 

having a way to toggle the notes on and off would be great as well, if i ever needed to send the clean version out... possible?

or do i need to start saving two versions?

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#17 2008-06-25 07:59:16

crmarvin42
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

I just downloaded skim and noticed that they make the frameworks available.  Does that make it possible for greater integration with Papers?  It would be pretty sweat to be able to view anchored notes from within papers.  Editing the pdf in skim makes sence, but some of the functionality is lost if we can't read some of the notes in Papers.

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#18 2008-09-17 20:07:17

Chachat
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

I have been entertaining how to incorporate Skim into my work flow. From the above discussion, it is unclear (at least to me) how the notes/modified PDF is handled by Papers or Skim.  That is , if one uses highlighting or notes to modify a PDF, can one access the original PDF from within papers?  Ideally, what I would like to be able to do is to access a PDF with notes or without notes depending on the intended use at that moment.  Is that possible?  If not, it would be a great added feature...

Cheers...

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#19 2009-02-07 09:32:23

wfolta
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

Old thread, but to answer the question...

As far as I can tell, Skim's annotations are not PDF annotations. They are in some ways more flexible, but they are not visible to Preview or Papers. So if you use Skim, you basically see un-marked papers in Papers, and marked in Skim. (And in Skim you can make annotations visible/invisible as well.)

This may be the workflow you want.

I've been using Preview to highlight things, and those PDF annotations definitely show up in Papers. But I can see no convenient way to hide them or delete them all in Preview. (Skim actually lets you export PDFs with their annotations, without their annotations, or with their annotations "baked in" as PDF, which is very nice.)

This thread got me thinking again about Skim, which I'd neglected since Preview added several of its features, and it may actually be a more flexible workflow. It'd be nice if Papers supported Skim annotations as well as PDF (Preview) annotations, though.

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#20 2009-06-06 11:27:07

Felix Jung
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Re: Skim - a very useful companion to Papers

Hey there,

I'd like to see the ability to display Skim's annotations in papers being implemented too! I don't like to have to export the pdf from Skim with destructive annotations. Skim's non-destructive way of saving annotations within the pdf file is awesome! Please make Papers display those annotations. It would really help!

Thx

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